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Legends Share How Role Models Shaped Success - Suga Snake Takes Ep. 9

Legends Share How Role Models Shaped Success - Suga Snake Takes Ep. 9

Legendary athletes Suga Rashad Evans and Jake "The Snake" Plummer share how role models shaped their lives and careers in this insightful episode.

In the first section, Rashad and Jake reflect on the mentors, family members, and coaches who instilled key values and inspired them from a young age. They explain how these role models provided guidance, discipline, and encouragement during pivotal moments.

Later, the hosts offer wisdom on overcoming anxiety and finding focus before big events. Jake shares how he reframed pre-game nerves as excitement. Rashad emphasizes grounding yourself in the present moment when anxiety strikes. Their thoughtful perspectives provide actionable advice for managing stress. Throughout the wide-ranging discussion, these sports icons' humility and gratitude for their influences shines through.

Their stories illustrate how having positive role models early on paved the way for their impressive achievements. This uplifting episode highlights the power of mentors to shape lasting success.

Episode Transcript:

Jake Plummer: They were hard on me too. You know, they were really hard from the minute I was able to come play catch with them, it was like, if you touch it, you catch it.

Del Jolly: Jump in.

Hey, sugar Snake takes what's up everybody? You're here for another episode of Sugar Snakes. Takes. This has, uh, been a, a real joy, a lot of fun kicking this off, and, uh, we're gonna just dive into it today. And, uh, but first I want to know, Snake, you're out in Germany right now, is that

Jake Plummer: right? Yeah, it's been a really awesome, uh, trip.

Very, um, I don't know, when you're out doing stuff, when you get out of your own little environment, and out of your city, and your system, and your little regular life you live, uh, it's always fun to see what happens. So we got down to Berlin, and there's a Fungi Fest by Jasper and Fungi Academy where Me and Leo went to learn how to grow cordyceps right when we first got, uh, the farm, Michael Love Farm.

And so here we are, like, immersed right into the German mushroom scene with a bunch of really dope, really cool, uh, awesome humans, like, trying to educate people. And, uh, we met a guy named Julian. We re got reconnected with a friend named Yasmin, whose place we're staying at, who was also down in Guatemala with us.

Um, so yeah, you know, like real quick, we're walking down the street after we meet Julian the first night, first day we're here and the next day we're just down, just making loops, trying to find some food and we're walking down the street and out from this restaurant, yo, Leo, Jake, and it's, it's Julian.

It's like in a city of four and a half, five million, we bump into him on the street. So just reassuring to know that I'm here, it's where I'm supposed to be and uh, really cool stuff's happening. They got a good thing going here. Like. A lot of, uh, education also like we're doing.

Del Jolly: Yeah. Jasper is so dope.

He's such a good human being. Fungi Academy. If y'all don't know what that is, check it out. They are killing it. And so heart centered, uh, love Jasper shaved all his hair, shaved it, shaved his head. So it's kind of an honoring of his 30th birthday. That's, that's super cool. And I'm, I'm in total Santos and we were talking before we jumped on about the.

The universal language of athleticism and when you travel foreign countries, that's an episode that we're going to have to pop off here real soon. Uh, but to, to be able to see people, I was at the jujitsu gym and able to see guys surfing out and, uh, in Cerritos, like, it's just really cool to be able to have a connection through this ism.

So, uh, but that's not what we're talking about today. Today, we are going to dive into role models. You know, Snake, Sugar, both of you guys have, you know, such great careers and have probably been, uh, role models to a lot of folks, you know, a lot of folks looking up to you as, as you. Have progressed through your game and in the fight game and NFL.

And Jake, I know that you had mentioned, there's a lot of kids probably named Jake and Pat, uh, from your time at ASU. So the subject today is going to be role models and kind of thinking about, you know, what are, what do role models mean to you and who were some of your role models kind of coming up? So that's the question we're posing today.

I'll let. Either of you take it away. If you're feeling called to answer, answer questions about role models.

Rashad Evans: Oh, I'll start it off. Um, you know, for me, I got pretty lucky with, uh, with my development as far as role models are concerned, because, you know, uh, you know, right out the gate when I started to get into my troubling time when I got like 13 years old and I started going through puberty a little bit and started.

You know, feeling myself a bit. Um, you know, I, I, my mom was working a lot at nighttime and I'm a product of a single, single parent household, so I got to, uh, run shop pretty much when she was away. So I needed the discipline when I was around 13 and that's when I got into, uh, to martial arts. I had this karate instructor, his name was Carl Tino.

And, uh, he was a police officer, but he had a, a dojo and I wanted to learn karate, so, He took me in and I didn't really like the first month I was able to pay, but then after that I wasn't able to pay anymore. And then in lieu of paying, he had me clean a gym, but you know, I looked up to this guy, everything that, you know, he did.

I wanted to be, I wanted to be a cop. I wanted to be the martial arts. He was, but having that role model, having somebody that was living the life that I wanted to have, Was that's a huge, huge turning point in my life. It was one of the biggest things that made me see that there was a better way to do things, uh, than, than I was doing or intending to do it, you know, and it gave me, you know, a real life hero to have versus having somebody on TV that I've seen from a movie that probably wasn't the best influence.

And because I had that influence. It put me on such a trajectory that allowed me to then find my next biggest influence, which was my wrestling coach, you know, and, and he was a big role model because one thing he didn't let me do, he didn't let me give up on myself. He's seen talent in me. He's seen potential in me when no one else seen it, you know, there's times where I will skip wrestling practice and this guy, Bill Dixon, will send the senior, one of the seniors to come and get me.

Now, what I've learned at that time was, okay, every single time I had a workout after the team got done from training, after I got picked up, it was like 10 times harder than it would have been if I just would have went with the team. So eventually I just stopped missing practice. And because I stopped missing practice, I got a lot better, but he.

He's seen it in me and so long, you know, before I even realize it in myself and he stayed on top of me and because of those two big role models in my life, it helped me realize something to myself that I ended up caring for the rest of my life and on to my careers, you know, as a college wrestler and then to mix martial arts, but that was a foundation of me wanting to be the kind of influence that I had in my life and I was able to touch a lot of people in my career because of the influence I had growing up with these guys.

Del Jolly: That's beautiful. Yeah. And, you know, shout out to all the Bill's and Carl's of the world kind of, you know, seeing,

Mike Slavin: seeing something

Del Jolly: in people that they don't see in themselves. You know what I mean? Especially youth, like kids, they don't really kind of know where they're at or whatnot for them to see that in you is, is absolutely beautiful.

And, and, you know, quite honestly, what makes the world go around mentorship, you know, kind of role model. Real quick. Was there any, was there any kind of a TV role model or superhero or anything of that nature that you, you had an affinity for at all, or

Jake Plummer: just, Oh yeah,

Rashad Evans: yeah, yeah. I, I was, uh, you know, um, I, I love Jimmy super fly snicker, you know, I was all on the wrestling kit.

You know, uh, Bruce Lee, a huge Bruce Lee fan want to be just like Bruce Lee and Barry Sanders. Imagine that combination, but you know, uh, I, I, I, those guys, but when it, when it came time for like really me being like influenced to the point where it was just more than just an admiration, it was these guys who pay that, that, that big role in my life.

Del Jolly: Absolutely. Barry Sanders, one of my favorite too. I remember I went to one of his practices in Detroit because my family's from Michigan, which I. Really botched that championship trivia question a while ago, not saying Detroit, but I remember, I remember patting Barry Sanders on his, on his shoulders and being like, Oh, Oh, he, he doesn't have a shoulder pads on that dude's just thick.

And he, he was just such a stud. So Barry Sanders was definitely one of my. Favorite NFL players for sure. So Darryl Schroeder

Jake Plummer: too, right? He was, yeah, bring it back. Mike too.

Del Jolly: Snake. How about you? Speaking NFL, Barry Sanders, what role models in your life? Any particular people come to

Jake Plummer: mind? Yeah. You know, I was lucky, um, growing up.

I'm the youngest of two older brothers, uh, brother, my brother, Brett, my oldest brother, and my other brother, Eric. Um, You know, they were, they were my role models for a long, long time. I mean, that's who I wanted to be like, that's who I tried to emulate. That's who I wanted to do to be like thriving and doing well on the field so that they'd be, you know, appreciative of me or, or, uh, come give me a compliment, you know, they were hard on me too, you know, they were really hard from the minute I was able to come play catch with them is like, if you touch it.

You catch it, you know, like, okay, here I am this five year old kid diving for balls in the backyard because I'm trying to get my brothers to say, good job, Jake, you know, like, just that was enough for me to just to go and get it. And so, yeah, my brothers were highly influential. They were both into sports, um, and, and, you know, played everything, you know, basketball, football, baseball, and we played handball, golf, ping pong, tennis.

I mean, you name it, we were playing every sport you could. It was fun because there for a while, they, they were whipping my ass for years until I went to college and started training a little bit and coming into my own body and like. being able to like compete with them. But there's one funny story running track that I ran the 110 meter hurdles and I was so bad.

I never practiced it. I mean, I was doing long jump, triple jump, high jump and ran that. And I ran, I knocked over some hurdles. I jumped off one with the same leg that I landed on him and I had horrible form. My brother, I took last place. He's like, no, no, you're not my brother anymore. And that crushed me, dude.

And I went out like dominated in the triple jump, long jump and high jump. And he's like, all right. You can come back into the family, but that was the kind of pressure I lived under, you know, like they were really into sports and wanted me to play hard. And, you know, even, even so much as at ASU, I'd throw the ball and if a receiver would drop it, sometimes I put my hands on my hips, like, man, come on, catch the ball.

And one time they said after a game, they, uh, I think it was Eric, maybe it was like. You know, you look like a real punk ass when you put your hands on your hips. It looks like you're, you're complaining and you're like, when you'll catch the ball, he's like, you should stop doing that because it doesn't look good.

So. Took me a few times to do it, put my hands down to where I stopped doing that. So they also looked out for me that way too. Kept me very grounded, uh, humble. Um, they were always like pointing out, Hey man, there's someone over here trying to get your autograph. You should come over here and just keeping me, keeping me real.

So my brothers were highly influential in my life. Um, also, you know, throwing stuff at me from a young age. I learned how to dodge stuff. So I got to give a lot of props to them for. You know, always bringing me along to one moment that really stood out for me when I really felt that I stepped up was about I was 12 13 years old playing hoops at City Beach in in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.

And, uh, no one would pick me up all day long. No one would grab me on their team and my brothers get off work, come down. So I'm playing with them. And all of a sudden, man, I just lose it. I go unconscious. I'm like out of bounds, catching the ball and shooting threes and draining them. And like, I hit like four threes in the game.

And from then on, man, I was picked up anybody that was having a pickup game. They like. Let's pick up that kid Jake over there. You come be on our team, but it took my brothers to give me that chance and then still that confidence. So always hats off to my brothers. And, uh, you know, my coach, coach Vogel and high school at capital pulled me up from the sophomores to varsity.

And I was like, Ooh, I made it. He pulled me up because we had a horrible old line. I was getting my ass kicked on sophomores, and he, he really wanted me to not hate football because he saw the potential, but he just didn't want me to get hurt or to hate the game. So, you know, he was another highly influential person in my development along the way that, that saw something and gave me that confidence and, and like helped me along that path to get to where I'm at today.

Del Jolly: That's rad. I wonder if there's any sort of stats on how many professional athletes have older brothers who were beating their ass.

Jake Plummer: It's or the youngest, like the youngest brother that that ends up going the distance, you know, making it to the top. I mean, there's probably a lot. I don't know because they

Del Jolly: got, they got bullied by their brothers.

But I same question to you though, real quickly. Are there any, uh, Any, uh, fake, uh, role models or TV supervillains, your vibe, who

Jake Plummer: is it? Of course. Uh, you know, I mean, I watched a lot of Andy Griffith with my grandpa growing up. So, you know, Andy Griffith was a good old sheriff. Andy was one of the guys, you know, he always had a great lesson.

He always. always get taught in the, in the episode, but he would never take credit, you know, so he was doing all these great things, but it was never like, yeah, that was me that helped Opie understand that, you know, the bully taking his coin, you got to trick him, you know, like that. And then also, um, I watched a lot of little house on the Prairie, so I don't know any young man.

I didn't want to grow up to be Charles Ingalls, man. That guy was a bad ass man. And, uh, you know, one episode that he, that my brother reminded me of was when he was in the, uh, The log cutting competition where they had to chop the log and he was against this big, massive lumberjack man. And they went down to the wire and the guy barely beat him when he was chopping the log with the ax.

And, uh, Mary came over afterwards and, you know, Charles is kind of dejected and she said, Pa, I gave you the wrong axe. This is your sharp axe. And he, he's like, cause he barely lost using a dull axe. But man, Charles Eagles for sure was, uh, was the man right there. And then, you know, I really looked up to Walter Payton.

Like, I loved his game. I loved his style. I wanted to be like Walter Payton and run like him. And, uh, he was my favorite player to watch growing up football wise. Beautiful.

Del Jolly: Simpler times. Little house on the prayers in the Griffiths. Do the whistle. You, you've got such a good whistle. Are we ready? Yeah, do it.

Jake Plummer: I could go on and on, but we got to get it. Got to get this. Keep it under 30 minutes, right? Yeah.

Mike Slavin: I didn't know you

Jake Plummer: had

Yeah, man. That's a good one. I can do it too, huh?

Rashad Evans: Yeah. No, his whistling was making mine better. I thought I was whistling that good and I tried it. I was like, oh, the air was coming out.

Jake Plummer: I heard you backing me up for Sean. That was nice, man. We might have to cut an album. The whistlers.

Mike Slavin: Awesome. All right, guys.

Well, It's time for another round of the Sugar Snake Showdown. So hopefully you guys are feeling fresh, feeling ready to go today. We're going to be focusing on some sugary questions. And, uh, with that in mind, we're going to kick things off with. Rashad baby on May 1st, 1986, Sugar Ray Leonard announced he would come out of retirement to fight which boxer and what would become dubbed the super fight.

Was it a Marvin Hagler, B Mike Tyson, C Roberto Duran or D Thomas Hearns.

Rashad Evans: Okay, okay, okay. Okay. Um, let me see here. Uh, uh, dang.

Okay. Okay. You know what it is? Thomas Hearns, D.

Rashad

Del Jolly: says D,

Mike Slavin: Thomas Hearns. That is incorrect. No! It's

Del Jolly: Marvin Hagler!

Jake Plummer: Marvin Hagler. I

Rashad Evans: knew it was either the two of

Jake Plummer: them.

Del Jolly: Man, there's some great fighters on that deal.

Jake Plummer: Oh, man. Okay.

Mike Slavin: Yeah, and part of the reason I throw this question in there is, you know, we were discussing role models and. There's this, there's this clip of Mike Tyson getting emotional talking to Sugar Ray Leonard about the influence that he had on him.

So I'll play that. I

Rashad Evans: saw you fight Wilfredo Benitez. I'm, I'm fucked up. And he's fighting him.

Jake Plummer: I, I

Rashad Evans: can't even talk. No, Mike. I mean, I love you, man. And, um, and I support you. Oh, okay. No one's buying me so fucking much, nigga. I saw you fight Turan. It changed my life. I said, this is what I'm gonna be. Look at me, nigga.

Because of you, who are you? You might not think you're nobody, nigga. I love you. You can throw two punches that sound like one. He was throwing punches. You can hear them. They were two, but they sound like fucking one punch. You know how magnificent your speed have to be for that? The ultimate knockout punch.

Jake Plummer: Don't get hit by that. Don't

Del Jolly: get hit

Jake Plummer: by that.

Del Jolly: Having a having a legend respect you like that is pretty special, man. That's cool.

Mike Slavin: All right, on to our next question. This one will be for Jake. Rashad won the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship against Forrest Griffin. But what did he say in the post fight interview in the Octagon with Joe Rogan?

Was it A. He kept smiling. I wasn't sure if he was hurt or not. B. Is this real life Joe Rogan? C. I got that dog in me. Or D. If you believe, you can achieve it.

Jake Plummer: Oh, what? Okay. Uh, let me think about this one for a minute.

Um, I'm gonna go with, I'm gonna go with A. He kept smiling. I wasn't sure if he was hurt or not. Rashad, do you remember?

Del Jolly: Yeah, yeah.

Rashad Evans: That is correct. Jake How did he guess that? How did he guess

Jake Plummer: that? That's crazy. I can see you doing this and then all of a sudden like In the ring afterwards be like, well, I wasn't sure if I was hurting him because it, you know, sounds, sounds like something that would go down around you, man.

Yeah, like, yeah, Jake

Rashad Evans: Dillon's boy, just like, that's crazy.

Del Jolly: Let's take a look at the end of

Rashad Evans: the fight on the big screen. You were, you were in his guard and you caught him with a big right hand from the guard and then stood up and finished it off from here. Yeah, that's that, uh, ground opponent that we learned at Jackson's, man.

Get up and hit him. I knew I had him in trouble. It looked like he was trying to tap. Well, he kept smiling, so I didn't know if he was hurt or not. So at one point I was like, they can't let me hit him, so I was like, alright. Well, Rashad, awesome performance from your time on The Ultimate Fighter. I mean, it's been an incredible

Del Jolly: journey.

And here you are, you are the UFC Light Heavyweight Champion

Rashad Evans: of the World. Congratulations, my man. Thank you, I appreciate it. Rashan Evans. Ladies and gentlemen.

Del Jolly: Ladies and gentlemen, congratulations. I feel

Rashad Evans: good. Dang, Jake. That's, that's, that's, that's impressive.

Jake Plummer: I can just see that though. You're panning him in his face.

He's just smiling at you.

Del Jolly: Yeah, of course. Griffin's the thug. Very disturbing.

Rashad Evans: Very disturbing. But that, I mean, it goes to the whole thing. Sometimes you see a fight and it looks like the guy's hitting a guy while he's knocked out. But sometimes you hit a guy and you wake him up, so you got to keep on

Del Jolly: hitting him. I wouldn't want to wake up to being punched by Rashad Evans.

Mike Slavin: All right, Dell, you're up. We're going to a different Shuga this time. Shuga Sean O'Malley famously had a walk off knockout on Dana White's Contender Series, but how did his last fight end before joining the UFC? Was it A. Decision, B. Flying knee, C. Spinning wheel kick, or D. Rear

Del Jolly: naked choke? Mmm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say that.

Sugar O'Malley was exciting and did a spinning wheel kick. I don't know what the league he was in before that, but I want to, I want to say spinning wheel kick, but I'm shooting in the dark on this one, man.

Mike Slavin: He was in LFA and he finished with a spinning wheel kick. Yes.

Jake Plummer: Nice.

Del Jolly: Sean O'Malley is a pretty special fighter.

Jake Plummer: Showing you our dominance here. Yeah.

Rashad Evans: I see that. Geez. Love it. Why'd I even show up today?

Del Jolly: Right on. Next combo, step three. Good

Jake Plummer: frantic fakes.

Del Jolly: Came back into the solar plexus.

Oh, he hit him clean with that left hand twice. Now Muzo's been dropped three times. That is That is freaking brilliant. How good is this kid? 7 0. My word, what technique. I tell you what, he was looking for that highlight. 7 0 Sugar Sean O'Malley.

Jake Plummer: Put a,

Del Jolly: put a shirt on that guy, back then, and I would pick a fight with him and not be afraid.

And then he will kick your ass and uh, you would second guess going at people looking all goofy.

Rashad Evans: That nerve body to fool. You know, that nerve body, you can't, you can't judge by the nerve body anymore,

Jake Plummer: dude.

Del Jolly: Learn

Jake Plummer: that and don't judge a book by it's cover. No way. Quick way to get your ass kicked. Absolutely.

Sorry for

Del Jolly: saying that sugar. Sean O'Malley. Well, uh,

Mike Slavin: great work. Dell and Jake Rashad. You'll get them next time.

We're moving on now to the community Q and a every week we offer a question to, um, to the group here. And, um, we're going to, if we choose your question, we're going to send you free on both products. Maybe our bars, maybe our capsules. So definitely be on the lookout, follow us at Get Umbo so that you can ask your question.

And today I'm going to bring back a question we last, we last asked Corey, but I really wanted to get your guys's take as well because this is such a, a pervasive subject. It's an important subject and a lot of people deal with this. So the question is from Matt 0303, how do you help yourself overcome anxiety leading up to the fight?

And just. Life's anxieties in general. So, uh, you know, Jake, you can talk about anxiety leading up to the big game. Um, but I'm also very curious about just the, the life, the general life anxieties that the people who are listening, you know, to this podcast right now might be dealing with in this moment as they're

Jake Plummer: listening.

Yeah, I'll go ahead. And you know, uh, anxiety would get built up for sure before games for me. Um, but it really came down to how I labeled it. Um, I wouldn't call it anxiety. I would just say I'm getting, you know, anxious or excited for the game. I'm just excited for the game is what I would say instead of being like nervous.

Um, you know, anxiety has such a negative connotation. Um, it's really just being anxious. And when you look at being Anxious and you think about what being anxious is. It's just you're excited for what's coming up. You're excited for what's next So I'd always reframe reframe it to be more like that In life, you know the anxiety in life you know, there's been a lot of moments where I've Had some major anxiety and you know, you're gonna put yourself in positions if you live life you're gonna be in positions where you could have to face some anxiety.

Uh, you could sit at home all day and watch TV and do nothing and not have much anxiety. But when you put yourself out in the world and you get out of your comfort zone, you know you're gonna get some moments where you better be prepared to face anxiety. And so now I just do a lot of breathing. Um, I do a lot of reassuring as far as I This is where I'm supposed to be.

This is what I'm supposed to be doing. Relax. You got this. You're, you're, you're prepared for anything. You've been in situations that, uh, have required you to dig deep and be uncomfortable and find a way to get through it. This is just another one of those. And a lot of times anxiety can be brought on just by not being prepared.

Also, uh, not preparing yourself for what you may step into. Or be getting ready to go perform at. So a lot of it can just be the preparation going into it. So, you know, anxiety is something that's real, but also, you know, labeling it. Don't, don't, don't walk around talking about your, my anxiety. I hear a lot of people talk about, Oh man, my anxiety.

And doctor told me I have anxiety. It's like, we all have it. We all get anxious and excited and nervous. It's feelings. That's what we want as humans. So acknowledge that. But instead of it being something that limits you or debilitates you, flip it, take some deep breaths and reassure yourself and put that love back into yourself and, and go back out there and face those, face those moments.

That's the only, that's the only advice I can give is face them and, and know that you'll be all right and you can get through it.

Mike Slavin: I love that. Someone told me some years ago, and you basically just captured it there, that anxiety is excitement without the breath and to bring your attention back to just like.

Okay. Yeah, this is okay. Sensationally speaking, what you feel in your body, like the experiences are so similar to just reconnecting with that. And when we feel like we shouldn't have it, it's like we were rejecting the sensation and then that exacerbates it and makes it more intense or extreme. So

Jake Plummer: it seems like it seems to like we lose our intuition and instinct when we get over anxious and anxiety takes over, you forget.

You know how to deal with this. It's in here. You can deal with this. It's been our ancestors were dealing with mass anxiety where, you know, walk around a corner, it could be a saber tooth tiger. That's, that's anxiety. Like, and I just happened to go to the grocery store and pick out groceries and have to worry about, you know, someone wanting an autograph, you know, that's different stuff, but it all affects people differently.

Sure.

Rashad Evans: Yeah. You know, I, I kind of feel like, um, with anxiety, you know, so much of it is just. Demystifying what's causing this anxiety or what the feeling is or what the thought is or whatever it is, you know, because a lot of times when we're in the state of anxiety, it's us looking ahead to what's potentially coming up and a lot of times we have the tendency to make something a lot bigger than what it is.

So whenever I find myself feeling that feeling of just overwhelming anxiety where it caused me to kind of take a pause. I take a pause and I ask myself, what's wrong with me right now? What's wrong right now? And then I start from there. And once I'm able to feel myself at that specific moment, I feel my calmness.

I feel that I'm okay. I feel that I'm not in any danger. And then I start to slowly expand from there. Okay, so now that I know I'm okay right here. Am I going to be okay in 10 minutes? In an hour? Okay, so what's causing that feeling? What's causing me to feel that way? And then I start to just... Completely unmask it.

And then before I know

it, I unwind, unwound this, this feeling and these thoughts to the point where it really got to the essence of what's causing the anxiety. And a lot of times it's just my idea of thinking that I'm not going to be prepared. You know, it's always like, am I going to be prepared? Am I going to be ready for?

And I always just had to bring myself to the point of whether I am or rather I'm not. It is going to be what it's going to be. Can I live with it? Can I live with the results either way? You know, and, and then, and then I go from there. But it's just a matter of, of being able to take that inventory of self, being able to really have that conversation with yourself.

And once you start having that conversation with yourself, once you really start to, to face it, once you really start to really put it in perspective, it falls away without even trying. It falls away under scrutiny. And that's the thing about anxiety is the fact that it's not really anything that's solid.

It falls away under scrutiny. And once you, you start to look at it, you start to realize that, man, all I really need to do was just give it the proper attention. And once you give it the proper attention, it just completely vanishes most of the time.

Jake Plummer: That's some, that's some Ashokratees right there, man.

That was nice. It's beautiful and

Del Jolly: all I'll say is to echo that, uh, you know, one of the stories that you've told us, Rashan, you've said it before is before fighting Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture telling you, you haven't made friends with the worst outcome. Anxiety is a fear of the future and depression is, is reminiscing on the past, you know, and like what's happening right here, right now.

And to analyze your anxiety, what is the scary outcome? What's the worst outcome? Let's make friends with that. Let's, let's kind of do the thing. Is that that bad? You know, and is it happening right now?

Jake Plummer: That was a good question. Because a lot of people suffer from anxiety. Yeah. Or the perception of it. It's more of a mind thing than it is a heart and soul, like stomach thing.

You feel it in your stomach, but it's... Mostly up here. Absolutely. And

Rashad Evans: it's a reminder of just where your presence of mind is, right? Like when you're feeling that anxiety, that means that you're not really focused on what's happening right now, you know? And that's another thing that can kind of help keep those feelings and those thoughts of anxiety at bay is just, What am I doing right now?

And thinking about that right now would take care of anxiety.

Jake Plummer: Yeah, dropping into the present moment is huge. Because your anxiety can be caused by what you think may happen or what someone may perceive or if you're not, you know, stepping into something you're not comfortable with. But yeah, you just got to be present with the moment that you're in.

Yeah.

Rashad Evans: Beautiful. And just know also that it's kind of crazy, but the truth of the matter is that we don't think that we're ready. But for most moments that just happen on a basis, on a normal basis, we can handle. We can almost handle anything that happens at that given moment. But just being able to trust that you're going to be able to handle anything that happens in that given moment, it causes anxiety because sometimes you don't know if you're going to, but out of survival, out of your need to make it through it, you always figure out a way to get past it.

Always

Del Jolly: beautiful. Well, that is a good bow to put on this episode here. Thank you sugar. Thank you snake. Appreciate your, uh, your wisdom on these questions. I love these questions. It's a great, it's a great ending to this show and that wraps this episode. Thank you guys. See you guys.

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